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It wasn't all a lie

I'm being spammed by some LJ accounts, which probably a lot of people are (they have a huge crush on me!). What's bothering me most about this though is that all the old posts they're spamming me in are ones that are about sis_r and her battle with cancer, and her death. To say this is upsetting me is putting it mildly, particularly because this is the time of year I have to deal with huge depression and facing our birthday alone. I know we can ban users, but since these are all different accounts, I'm not sure what the best tack to take is?

But I need bigger help than that, oh Flist of wonder. I was at my writing group today, and one of the authors has just recently sold her second-world fantasy book and they want it to be a trilogy, so she's bringing new stuff. In her submission today, she had something that I said was a missed opportunity for my favorite romantical trope of all time -- the "It wasn't all a lie" line, where one person in said liason had to string the other along for some endgame or play them, and when the other person finds out that the relationship wasn't true, the player says, "It wasn't all a lie" or "In all this mess, you were the only true good thing" or something to that effect.

She looked at me so blankly, and she had NO idea what I was talking about. Weirdly, as much as I love this, I couldn't think of anything except the episode of Streets of San Francisco where I first discovered that I adored this trope, which, you know, is 40 years old and not going to pass (also, Days of Our Lives, where Steve says it to Kayla, but I can't use that either).

I need help for resources I can point her to -- movies and books would be especially helpful, as she has two kids and has all these rewrites to do on top of her job, so she doesn't have a lot of time to search out TV (though if anything's up on YouTube, that would be cool). Come on, SOMEone else besides me has to love the "it wasn't all a lie" trope...

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Nov. 11th, 2012 12:00 am (UTC)
Ugh, so sorry for the trouble with the accounts. :(

I was just watching "Deliver us from Eva" today, which uses that trope - that's the whole plot of the film! Let me think about whether I can find more!

Nov. 16th, 2012 10:16 pm (UTC)
I had no idea! THis movie comes up all the time on pay cable -- I'll have to look out for it.
Nov. 11th, 2012 12:05 am (UTC)
Hunh. I wonder if my secret admirer is stepping out on me with you.

I am sorry though, that what should be a minor nuisance is attached to such a difficult time in your life.

About the trope you mentioned, I know I've seen it quite often also, but the only example I can think of right now was - I think it was S4 of NCIS when Tony was meant to romance Jeanne (daughter of a French arms dealer) to get close to her old man and wound up falling in love with her. He had to have the same conversation with her. I'll try to think of other examples.
Nov. 16th, 2012 10:17 pm (UTC)
Yeah, the problem with TV is that she doesn't watch much, and it's hard to find what you want later if you don't have all the eps. Unfortunately, also, TV uses it more than anyone else!!
Nov. 11th, 2012 12:24 am (UTC)
Homeland! At the end of 107 Carrie says something to that effect. I love this trope too. Another one is Jack/Irina specifically in 203 Irina mentions something similar to Jack. There's also Beecher/Keller but I doubt that'll work.

I feel like there's a million examples I'm forgetting...
Nov. 22nd, 2012 08:10 pm (UTC)
OH yeah, good one!
Nov. 11th, 2012 12:31 am (UTC)
I immediately thought of the episode "War" of the USA network La Femme Nikita series. I think it's sort of stand-aloneish? In that the trope comes through even if the emotional resonance might not without seeing the earlier episodes. If I can think of any good movie examples I'll come back. A
Nov. 16th, 2012 10:15 pm (UTC)
This is actually my first and favorite -- I could only find the clip of the cage scene, though, online, so I at least pointed my friend toward that and explained the final clip of him saying, "It wasn't all a lie."

UGH, I love that SCENE SO MUCH. Still to this day. I miss that show, too. While I've enjoyed the new one, the feeling just isn't the same for me.
Nov. 11th, 2012 01:46 am (UTC)
I love that trope. A Fish Called Wanda has it, with Jaime Lee Curtis and John Cleese.

And I think a Shakespeare play that I haven't seen or read had a plot like that, didn't it? That was used as the basis for one of those 90s teen comedies... She's All That or Ten Things I Hate About You or maybe both of them, IDK. (Hmm, IMDB says both of them, and The Taming of the Shrew. Which I have seen, oops. I don't remember if the Shakespeare version has the confrontation that you're talking about, but I'm pretty sure both of the 90s teen comedies do.)
Nov. 11th, 2012 01:51 am (UTC)
And How To Lose a Guy in 10 Days, maybe?
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Nov. 11th, 2012 01:52 am (UTC)
Urgh, sorry about the horrible spammers.

Does The Maltese Falcon fit the trope?
Nov. 11th, 2012 08:54 am (UTC)
That was the one I was trying to think of!
But it's a fairly simple concept ...
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Nov. 11th, 2012 04:35 am (UTC)
Mr and Mrs Smith might count? And Casino Royale, actually?
Nov. 22nd, 2012 08:15 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I was definitely thinking of both of those. Since her genre is second-world fantasy romance, I'm never sure what she's seen/read, and she's face blind, to boot.
Nov. 11th, 2012 06:15 am (UTC)
I know I've seen it before but as soon as someone asks I can't remember where.

And I'm getting those spammers too.
Nov. 11th, 2012 11:34 am (UTC)
I can't think of specific examples right now, but I'm also familiar with that.

Sorry about the terrible spam. What about locking the commenting on those entries? (http://www.livejournal.com/support/faq/23.html)
Nov. 22nd, 2012 08:28 pm (UTC)
The locking problem is that I never knew where they were going to strike -- I can't batch lock all old posts, and they just picked things at random. Fortunately they seem to be going away, I guess because of the efforts of people to block them.
Nov. 11th, 2012 05:15 pm (UTC)
Hunger Games!
Nov. 22nd, 2012 08:28 pm (UTC)
THanks! I've heard that -- I still haven't read/seen it, but that's definitely a plus for moving it up on my list.
Nov. 13th, 2012 04:56 am (UTC)
Sorry about the spam. Good to see you still on here on LJ. Ran into Jenny at Fiore's the other day -- made me miss you. Currently watching Doc Martin (BIG LOVE!) and Breaking Bad.
Nov. 22nd, 2012 09:40 pm (UTC)
Apparently I cannot send you party deets through LJ and I wasn't sure I had a current address for you -- but it's at my house, Nov. 30, from 7 to 11:30. If you need the address for the house (don't know if you remember it or not), send me mail privately at gwyneth at drizzle dot com.

I hope you can make it!
Nov. 13th, 2012 08:06 pm (UTC)
I love that trope too! Wasn't there something like that at the end of The Enterprise Incident?
Nov. 13th, 2012 08:08 pm (UTC)
Also that sucks about the spam. I've been getting it too! You should be able to delete the comm
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Nov. 22nd, 2012 09:42 pm (UTC)
Oh man, I remember that movie!!!!
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