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Meta-ing again

I haven't said anything about Civil War because historically, people really haven't been interested so it doesn't seem worth it, but I did just write a long honking meta piece on Tumblr about this one thing that's been bugging the shit out of me since the first trailer came out, and that I'd really hoped the movie would address, but didn't. Not that I expect the imaginary reader to be interested in that either but hey, it's out there and you can read it if you want there since I'm having so much trouble copying and pasting it here. I'm up for discussion here but not if you're going to scream at me, I don't have the spoons.

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hypertwink
May. 12th, 2016 04:25 pm (UTC)
Great read. It's more coherent and intelligent than me, who just thought with "Agreeing on takeout is hard, and you want me to believe that 116 countries agreed on a document that thick in a span of a few days...seriously?!"

This just proves to me that
1) Winter Soldier is still the superior movie.
2) RDJ and Kevin Feige fucked up this movie by hijacking it for their own nefarious purposes, and
3) Justice for Captain America: The Search for Bucky aka Friendship is Magic roadtrip movie.
gwyn_r
May. 15th, 2016 08:51 pm (UTC)
Yeah. I think a lot of your happiness with the movie depends on how much of RDJ's bloated ego and Kevin Feige's complete boner for all things RDJ you're willing to accept. I also really felt like that tag was specifically designed to quash Stucky shipping.
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gwyn_r
May. 15th, 2016 08:52 pm (UTC)
Well, most people are stupid, and they accept things presented to them by a huge company at face value, so...
mackiemesser
May. 13th, 2016 02:40 am (UTC)
My agreement with this is complete! While the UN has done many good things, they have fucked up a considerable number of things, too, so to have a force like the Avengers tied to something like that...Ugh, so very many ways it could go wrong.

I kinda figure that Tony was, to borrow from another fandom, emotionally compromised and so should never have been involved so officially and authoritatively. I do totally get why the gov't was eager to use someone that vulnerable to push their agenda, which, of course works with your meta about why the Accords were a bad idea.

While Steve is also off balance, he still has some pretty clear analysis of how easily this could be fucked up, which everyone seems to dismiss by saying he's only thinking of Bucky. I mean, I thought he explained his concerns pretty clearly?

(Also, this is where I think fandom's decision to ignore the Hulk movies kind of impairs the ability to evaluate the Accords, because, after all, the dude presenting them as a good idea literally drove Bruce Banner to the ends of the earth because he wanted to turn Bruce into a lab rat, had tanks and missiles firing on at a college campus, and created the Abomination without any hesitation. As if that fucker had any perspective on appropriate force!)



Edited at 2016-05-13 02:41 am (UTC)
gwyn_r
May. 15th, 2016 08:57 pm (UTC)
Fanom has decided (the people coming into Cap fandom from Iron Man, and Iron Man apologists) that Steve is a vigilante, which is hilarious since Steve has never acted as a vigilante (I think they just accept Ross's term without ever bothering to look up what it means), but you know who has? Tony. His first act in the suit was prime vigilante behavior. I know that most people are dumb, but this is kind of on a terrible new level. I wish to hell that people who don't like Steve weren't invited into this fandom by putting Tony into it so horribly.

Yeah, I get that not a lot of people saw the Hulk movies, but if they watched the Avengers ones, they know damn well what terrible things happened to Bruce.
mackiemesser
May. 15th, 2016 11:00 pm (UTC)
I don't know if it comes down to something as simple as people thinking Tony's "cool," Steve's "square," and therefore Tony's right? For all that Steve is actually younger than Tony, he's had experiences with government agencies that Tony can't even comprehend, so his ability to smell a rat is the Accords is something people should pay attention to.

No doubt; they should have figured out that no one runs like Bruce did and distrusts the government like he does if they haven't been through some heavy shit.
hafital
May. 13th, 2016 03:05 am (UTC)
I hope there was something you enjoyed about the movie. I loved it, but I confess I don't particularly need it to make real world sense. :) I take 'em as they give 'em. So, I'm an easy sell, and went into it expecting ridiculousness and got rather less than I worried about. I mean, even TWS made no sense to me, let alone AOU. CW seemed to plug right into that, so to me it was all right in canon. I understand being disappointed though, so I hope you had something in the film to love.






Edited at 2016-05-13 03:05 am (UTC)
gwyn_r
May. 15th, 2016 09:04 pm (UTC)
Ridiculous I could handle. Watching a bunch of people come into my fandom and attack characters I love because of their suspicions about a seriously shady event, I don't like so much. The whole thing has made me really sad.
daria234
May. 13th, 2016 06:23 am (UTC)
Agreed- the idea of oversight is fine, but the idea of UN oversight and like the UN is just universally accepted as a functioning organization much less a moral authority...
gwyn_r
May. 15th, 2016 09:06 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I mean, it'd take less than ten minutes of research to find that out. I think if they'd maybe created a fake organization that's the UN except in name only, so they weren't tied to that real-world baggage, could have worked. It's better when they create fake things like the World Security Council.
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