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For those of you who, like me, have found their enthusiasm for the election sadly tempered by the results of Proposition H8 in California, this article might help shore your hopes a tiny bit. I don't know if it will work, if it can be done, but wouldn't it be great if it would (and also, I love thinking of the money those hateful fuckers spent being completely wasted by the overturn of something that violates human rights. Hit you in your pocketbooks since that's about the only thing you really understand, you right-wing religious motherfucking cretinous civil-rights violating shithead bastardsevil jackasses)?

I don't know what/if things can be done about the other states passing anti-human rights initiatives because I confess, the South scares the crap out of me and I don't keep up with their politics as much. If you know, please pass on a link.

And on a more hopeful note, mlyn passed on this video of the big party that erupted in Seattle last night. Yeah, who'd expect Journey to move people to such heights? If I wasn't so afraid of large mobular crowds (thank you, WTO!), I would have probably rushed up there to join the fun.

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varina8
Nov. 6th, 2008 12:38 am (UTC)
I understand. Getting older + WTO experience = early night for me, too.

gwyn_r
Nov. 6th, 2008 06:55 am (UTC)
The sad part is, I don't even go to bed until around 2 these days, so if it weren't for being anxious in crowds, I could have partied all night!
varina8
Nov. 6th, 2008 07:46 pm (UTC)
I was out until a little after midnight. I left the street about the time the crowd started making a serious dent in QFC's beer and wine stock.
kadymae
Nov. 6th, 2008 12:44 am (UTC)
About Prop H8 and having some hope ...

Guess who will be the final authority on how to interpret the CA Constitution?

Why what would be the same CA Supreme Court that said that there was a fundamental right to equality in marriage.
gwyn_r
Nov. 6th, 2008 06:56 am (UTC)
That's what I'm talkin' 'bout, Willis! I really hope that the court will see this for what it is, and shake them down.
gehayi
Nov. 6th, 2008 01:57 am (UTC)
You might want to read this by penknife. It explains the three ideas that the people fighting for gay marriage have to get past. I'd chalk up those three ideas at least partly to tradition, confusion about homosexuality, and ignorance.

Edited at 2008-11-06 01:59 am (UTC)
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gwyn_r
Nov. 6th, 2008 06:58 am (UTC)
Thank you for the link. It is still so hard for me to understand why, with the world going to hell in a handbasket, these people spend so much time and money that could make the world a better place on hate measures. It just doesn't compute. I mean, I know that fear and ignorance are huge issues, but... it's so hard to watch this, over and over.
gehayi
Nov. 6th, 2008 08:45 am (UTC)
The thing is, I don't think that all of them see it as hate. Let me tell you about a conversation I had recently with my next-door neighbor. It went something like this.

Me: *makes a comment indicating strong support for gay marriage*

Next-Door Neighbor: Oh, Gehayi! You CAN'T support that!

Me: Why not?

NDN: *deeply upset* Because the Catholic church says it's wrong!

Me (thinking, 'Why would I care what the Catholic church says?'): We have separation of church and state in this country. All citizens should have equal rights under the law. The Church's opinion is irrelevant.

NDN: *shocked* You don't mean that!

Me: *puzzled* Well, yeah, I do.

NDN: *dramatically* Do you WANT to see homosexuals marrying each other in church?

Me (thinking, 'Damn straight I do!): *patiently* What's generally referred to as gay marriage has nothing to do with religious ceremonies.

NDN: *puzzled* But they're talking about marriage. You can't have a marriage without religion.

Me: My mother did.

NDN: What?!

Me: My mother and father got married by a justice of the peace. My mother was Catholic and my father was Protestant. He didn't want to convert and she wasn't going to listen to all the weeping and wailing if she got married by a minister. So they had a civil ceremony. *ramming the point home* A civil PARTNERSHIP.

NDN: But...but then they weren't really married!

Me: Would you like me to show you the wedding ring and the marriage license?

NDN: *frowning, clearly not understanding this* But a marriage has to be performed by someone religious.

Me: A captain of a ship can perform a marriage. He's not a priest or minister or rabbi, is he?

NDN: That was in olden times! They don't still do that!

Me: Oh, yes, they do. It's still quite legal. Lots of people get married on shipboard every year. They think it's romantic.

NDN: But...but just going to a judge or a captain doesn't make it a real marriage.

Me: No, what makes it a real marriage is the commitment the people put into it.

NDN: *totally lost* Huh?

Me: And believe me, a civil marriage IS a marriage under the law. Certainly it was legal enough to require my parents to get divorced when they split up.

NDN: *triumphant* But that kind of marriage wouldn't give them God's blessing!

Me: *patiently* Gays aren't ASKING for God's blessing. They aren't asking for anything from various religions. They are asking the state--the government, if you like that better--to allow them to be married in civil ceremonies by judges and justices of the peace. Religion doesn't come into it at all.

NDN: *frowning and trying to make sense of this, then giving up* Oh, Gehayi, don't be silly. Of course they're asking for God's approval. They're asking for MARRIAGE.

Me: No, they're asking for civil ceremonies. Your problem is that you're picturing two men in front of an altar in a Catholic church. And one of them is wearing a white wedding dress.

NDN: *furious* Yes! That's exactly what it would be like!

Me: Actually, it would be two men both wearing suits going to City Hall. Or two women in dresses at City Hall. Like I said--Religion. Is. Not. Involved.

NDN: But...but City Hall? That's not a real marriage!

Me: You saying that my parents weren't really married?

NDN: Well, no...but...but...oh, I can't talk to you! *slams into the house*

Edited at 2008-11-06 08:45 am (UTC)
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